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“The right questions are the best signposts”
A conversation with Lea and Christian Schwarm - about question marks, the potential of AI, their unique Zukünfte-Abo and what's really important now

Q

One of your posters — and even your business card — features a large question mark. Don’t people expect consultants to provide answers?

LS

Ideally, questions do lead to answers. But conventional questions tend to produce conventional answers. If we want to initiate and discover something new, it usually begins with questions that help us think beyond the familiar. Questions that encourage us to leave our comfort zone and start thinking with curiosity. The right questions are the best signposts.

CS

A question mark also symbolizes our humility toward not-knowing. As a teenager, I was fascinated by the story from ancient Athens in which the Oracle of Delphi proclaimed: “No one is wiser than Socrates.” Socrates didn’t believe it and sought out the wisest people in Athens — politicians, poets, and craftsmen. The politicians were unaware of their limited knowledge. The poets couldn’t explain the meaning of their work. And the craftsmen, because of their specialized knowledge, believed they could explain everything. In the end, Socrates concluded:

“I am only wiser than these people because I don't think I know what I don't know.”

„I am only wiser than these people because I don't think I know what I don't know.“

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What does that insight have to do with your work — and your clients?

LS

Quite a lot. Those who work with us are seeking exactly that kind of openness — which, especially in future-focused projects, can lead to entirely new perspectives and solutions. What we do is not about optimizing processes or transferring “best practices” from one company to another. Each of our projects is unique, because the tasks we face require a unique approach. If that’s not the case, we’re probably not the right partners.

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You also like to use the plural form of 'future'. Put simply: with Schwarms, do people get 'futures'?

LS

Yes. And we have far more influence over which future we steer toward than we might think. That’s exactly what the plural form reminds us of — futures. Many people — including executives — are skeptical about the coming years. Together with our partners — mostly large or mid-sized companies — we develop concrete future scenarios and realize pioneering future projects. This involves innovation, but also the correspondingly curious mindset that is essential in order to stay genuinely open to new things.

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Q

You speak about future projects. But aren’t all projects, by definition, about the future?

LS

That’s true, of course — every endeavor ultimately aims toward the future. When we speak of future strategies or projects, we want to emphasize two things: the long-term perspective and the fundamental nature of the questions involved.

CS

We can’t share specifics, of course. But some of our most exciting work in recent years included the complete reimagining of what a newspaper of the future could look like. Or, for our key client dm, one of Europes biggest drugstore chains, the development of an inspirational program that helps both leaders and employees to broaden their perspective beyond their day-to-day responsibilities — with the aim of pioneering emerging potentials early on. These days, it's often about developing a foundational mindset toward relevant change. Which, of course, includes AI.

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What’s your perspective on the development of artificial intelligence?

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What’s your perspective on the development of artificial intelligence?

CS

Regarding AI, people split into camps without need or prematurely: There are those hopelessly skeptical, who are opposed by the uninhibitedly euphoric. Then there are individuals who find AI useful but still claim it will never create anything truly new or creative. But how do we know - and how can anyone be so sure?

Why? Because it convincingly showed that we as humans *can* fall in love with artificial intelligence. Something I had never imagined before. The ending inspired me too: maybe we humans are actually rather simple in our behavior — easy to predict for a more advanced intelligence. I often look at our beloved dog and think: with a little experience, you can anticipate almost any dog’s behavior. Maybe the idea that we sit atop the hierarchy of creation is just another step in the long arc of human hubris.

In 2013, the movie 'Her’ was released, a true milestone at that time.

Why? Because it convincingly showed that we as humans *can* fall in love with artificial intelligence. Something I had never imagined before. The ending inspired me too: maybe we humans are actually rather simple in our behavior — easy to predict for a more advanced intelligence. I often look at our beloved dog and think: with a little experience, you can anticipate almost any dog’s behavior. Maybe the idea that we sit atop the hierarchy of creation is just another step in the long arc of human hubris.

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So is that a call for more data-based analysis and market research?

LS

Not at all — it’s a call for more reflection and human dialogue. That said, data can be incredibly valuable. The real question is: when, where, and how do we gather it.In other words, at what time, in what context and with what objective.

Q

This sets you apart from traditional consultants. You follow your own principle: What does 'Thinking First, Data Second' mean?

LS

When we begin working together, things don’t start with conventional analysis. We skip the expensive diagnostic phase. Instead, we immediately imagine the company already in the future — even while we are still grasping the task. From day one, we channel our energy into bold ideas and pioneering solutions. Data comes into play when it's time to test and substantiate those new directions. 'Thinking First, Data Second' makes us more creative: after all, any kind of preliminary research is always based on unspoken assumptions that unconsciously limit what seems possible ... instead of maximizing the space of the conceivable.

CS

This general obsession with data stems from a certain value system that believes we can control the complexity of our world by capturing every detail. 'If we just have all the facts on the table, we’ll make the right decision, right?' Instead, we believe in a smart blend of creativity, intuition, knowledge, and data — maybe even in that order. Because the idea that the world is a deterministic machine made of interlocking cogs is an illusion. One of our favorite clients taught us that leadership — and decision-making — should never be outsourced to data or KPIs.

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In these turbulent times, what do companies truly need?

CS

Just like Watzlawick said that we cannot *not* communicate, we also cannot *not* shape our future. Right now, many companies are simply trying to keep up. The best possible outcome of that mindset? Sadly: just keeping up. We prefer to support a different narrative: one in which companies tap into their distinct potential — not to become competitively productive, but *incomparably good*. We combine strategy with creativity, think from the future and anticipate wishes and problems people will have not today, but tomorrow. That’s where the right questions of today are born.

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You both see yourselves as the “most contemporary version of an old-school family business”. The place you’re working in also plays an important role: tell me about your library.

LS

It engages all the senses. For example, we integrate sound via our Sunship loudspeakers, which have a fascinating backstory — they originate from the postwar cultural clash between Japanese and American influences in Tokyo. Or we explore innovative food concepts, often in exchange with our friends and neighbors Maciej Chmara and Ania Rosinke — who are currently among the leading sourdough experts and, like us, deeply engaged with the societal implications of a broader understanding of nature. We humans are just beginning to grasp how entangled all life really is. That’s why more and more scientists are now speaking not just of flora and fauna, but also of 'funga'.

CS

Our Library is a very special space. As the name suggests, it’s a library — however, not in the conventional sense. It brings together books but also a wide range of other sources and inspirations: printed titles — most of which were published in the 21st century — interact directly with digital resources, technological and cultural artifacts, and contemporary works by artists like Slavs and Tatars, Lin May Saeed, David Horvitz, and many others. For us, this place is a magical playground of ideas.

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One of your podcast episodes links fungi with blockchain. You’ve also been thinking about new subscription models. Is that why you’re launching your own?

LS

Yes — our 'Zukünfte-Abo' will launch in fall 2025. It offers an in-depth view behind the scenes of our library and our consulting work. It’s designed for those who, like us, feel the need to look beyond the confines of their day-to-day business. Our futures insights will be shared across a variety of channels — adding up to a unique experience.

CS

No such subscription model exists yet — at least not in this form. But we’ve seen inspiring parallels in other fields, like the Taste Buds-Club from the world-famous Noma restaurant in Copenhagen. We explored the potential of subscription formats during our inspirational program for dm-drogerie — and in the process, we developed our own approach and model. That naturally led to the next step: our very own Zukünfte-Abo.

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